Lori Bultemeier and Isaac Gaff talk about:
- the differences between embarrassment, humiliation, guilt, and sham
- Jesus' healing ministry
- Jesus' action in the Book of Hebrews
- and of course, a great Babyfold story

Listen in your device's podcast app – Apple version here and Android version here or use the desktop-only player below.

Questions or discussion? Click here to comment.

About the Authors

Lori Bultemeier works with kids and families in the area of spiritual care and formation at the Babyfold. She is also a Deacon in the IGRC conference of the United Methodist Church and calls Calvary home.
Isaac Gaff is the Managing Director of Worship and Creative Arts at Calvary UMC